13 thoughts on “Streetcar 595, 1947

  1. Here’s another view of Stark and 80th from 1939

    Is today’s photo really from 1947? It looks as if the road isn’t paved (but it is in the 1939 photo), and the car style and dress make it seem more like 1907.

  2. RE: Igor1882, I agree from the clothing worn by the people in the car, the street condition, and the quality of the photo, it seems to be 20 or 30 years prior to 1947.

  3. A further intrigue: the Montavilla (MV) line ran out Glisan from 30th to 91st, not Stark. The Mount Tabor line (MT Hall) ran up Belmont, over the edge of Mt. Tabor and finished at 88th and Yamhill. Thus, it appears that there wasn’t a line on Stark, a fact backed up by the 1939 photo. So, what intersection are we looking at? Glisan and 80th?

  4. There was a spur from 80th & Glisan to 80th & Stark on the Montavilla line. The building with the window push-outs, seen in the upper-right corner of the picture, is/was on the NW corner of 80th & Stark so it appears that the picture is looking SW towards Stark from 80th.

  5. Photo posted by Igor1882 shows the Dickson Drug Co. store in the foreground. According to local press and advertising, that shop (later under different names) was located at SE 80th and SE Stark from 1910 until it closed in about 2004.

    The photo of the antique tram car and motormen in today’s VP photo definitely must be from first or second decade of 20th cent. I’m fairly sure that I have seen this photo often enough before in various Portland nostalgia collections. But I could be wrong.

  6. And the tracks end just at the back of the streetcar, perhaps this was taken when the spur was built? Do we know when that happened?

  7. Very early picture or the dash sign would indicate either MV Stark or MV 90th, this obviously a Stark car.

  8. So, this view closely recreates the photo angle. The orange building according to portlandmaps.com was built in 1910. So either the one in the picture was razed or heavily modified depending on the date of the picture. Also of note in the google view, are the depressions in the concrete the tracks? or am I imagining.

  9. According to the Portland Vintage Trolley website, this series of cars was built in 1910 and converted to single-man operation between 1927 and 1929. I think by the 1920s the streets were paved in that area so with the dirt street I guess the photo is from the teens. My great-grandfather was a motorman during that time frame and I have three photographs similar to this one. I think it was common during that period for the motormen and conductors have their photos taken with their trolley cars.

  10. Regarding the orange building in modern view:

    “So either the one in the picture was razed or heavily modified depending on the date of the picture.”

    I’m certain it’s the same building just remodeled. The building with “Marshall” visible in the window in today’s VP post is the Dickson Drug Co. building from Igor’s 1939 photo in the comments above (seen from the 80th Ave. side today, vs. the Stark St. side in 1939 photo). Note the identical jutting window over the angled front door, the trim below both upper and lower windows, the pillar on the corner, the step up to the “porch” outside the angled door where the pillar rests, etc.

    Since the building above lasted until at least 1939, then it must be the 1910 building which gives a lower bound for the date on today’s photo.

  11. I have a photo of a Montavilla/East Ankeny car, taken from across Stark that shows people gathered around the smoldering ruins of some structure on that corner. The car is a “Fuller” car, which predates the 595 and this photo by maybe 5 years or more. I don’t know how to embed photos in this reply, or I would share it here.

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