Comments on: Portland Cable Railway Remnants?

By: felixstrange

felixstrange — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:06:13 +0000

I found a great aerial picture of Goose Hollow from 1932 which shows the Cable Car Canyon area:

http://efiles.portlandoregon.gov/webdrawer.dll/webdrawer/rec/2603291/view/

There’s not a lot of detail, but you can actually see the powerhouse still standing at the corner of 18th and Mill about halfway down on the left side of the photo. The two nearby large Victorian houses near 18th and SW Market street (which I believe were moved there from their original locations) are still there today, so you can pinpoint the location fairly accurately.

Comparing the photo with Google Maps, it looks like the north side of the Portland Cable Railway powerhouse building was located almost exactly where the concrete of the18th Street pedestrian underpass begins today. This means the location of the powerhouse today coincides with where the Westbound lane of Highway 26 intersects 18th Street.

Also:

“it appears to me that the James Wood 1890 aerial map incorrectly portrays the trestle as starting at 15th and Market, perhaps for the sake of including the trestle.”

Since I originally posted this, I’ve become aware that the street numbering changed over the years and that the time of the lithograph, what is today 18th Street was, in fact, 15th street. The discrepancy is accounted for by the fact that “Park Street” was later split into 8th and 9th and “Lownsdale Street” became what is today 15th Street.

By: felixstrange

felixstrange — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:49:10 +0000

I think it’s also important to note that the SW Mill St. Terrace of today is most likely located a fair distance to the south of the original Mill St. which presumably ran through the current location of Highway 26.

By: felixstrange

felixstrange — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:41:37 +0000

Perhaps I’m confused, but I went by the site yesterday and the remains are directly to the east of the intersection of 18th (originally Chapman) and Mill St, just through the tunnel under Highway 26:

http://goo.gl/maps/qVvHC

All of the photographs and maps show the powerhouse on the West side of 18th (usually between Mill and Market streets), so it doesn’t seem possible that those ruins are those of the powerhouse.

I also went by the Alice Druhot house which is visible in a photo from the Oregon Live article:

http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/photo/trestlejpg-353cf97dee97a945.jpg

Comparing the site with this photo, the present day Goose Hollow Apartments complex in between18th and Cable St. seems to be constructed almost exactly where the trestle was locate and again, standing at 18th and Mill, the ruins in the photo are to off to the East whereas in Ken’s picture shows the Powerhouse off to the right of the trestle.

After looking at all the photographs after visiting the site, it seems to me that the powerhouse would have been located somewhere nearer to the current site of the tunnel which goes under Highway 26.

On a side note: it appears to me that the James Wood 1890 aerial map incorrectly portrays the trestle as starting at 15th and Market, perhaps for the sake of including the trestle. It’s a wonderful resource, but I’ve often compared that aerial view with contemporary photographs and found that the street grid is inaccurate in many places and that many of the buildings shown seem to have been drawn from the imagination of the artist.

By: Jim Wood

Jim Wood — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:35:43 +0000

Slightly off topic but when the City’s contractor dug up the intersection of SW 18th & Spring last summer they encountered part of the foundation for the cable car turntable there.

By: Jane Harold

Jane Harold — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 06:10:19 +0000

The VP post with the Portland Heights Brochure of 1904 (minus trestle!) puts the powerhouse right at this spot. http://vintageportland.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/portland-heights-1904-scott-smith-2.jpg
I wonder how these walls/foundation were incorporated into the scheme and structure and what is that small fireplace? If we are in any doubt a brick or two could be tracked to help solve some of the mystery. Oh and the land it’s on is now valued at over $2 million dollars. That’s inflation for you!

By: rumblefish

rumblefish — Tue, 21 Aug 2012 02:29:33 +0000

In 1994, an old cable car pulley from this system was uncovered during TriMet’s excavation during the westside light rail construction. Take a look:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/03/a_streetcar_trestle_was_once_p.html

By: Ken Hawkins

Ken Hawkins — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 21:59:05 +0000

I wasn’t sure which cross street it was on, but definitely remembered it was on the west side of 18th.

By: Brian

Brian — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:15:22 +0000

Actually Ken, I think that's the NW corner. You can see that the powerhouse was between Market and Mill in this earlier VP post. Note that in the illustration, Mill hasn't gone through to 18th yet, but You can see the powerhouse is right between Market and Mill.

By: Brian

Brian — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:08:38 +0000

The powerhouse was on the west side of 18th between Market and Mill (therefore on the NW corner of 18th and Mill).so these are not the foundations as they are on the east side of 18th. Also, these are even slightly farther south then the SE corner of 18th and Mill as Mill is now covered by US 26 (Mill Terrace is south of where Mill used to be). A photo of the powerhouse on the west of 18th looking south can be seen here.

By: Ken Hawkins

Ken Hawkins — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:59:14 +0000

Here is the view showing the powerhouse on the SW corner of the intersection:
http://goo.gl/WvWaf

By: Ken Hawkins

Ken Hawkins — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 19:52:47 +0000

@dbrunker: your google streetview is facing to the SE corner of the intersection of 18th and Mill St. Terrace, is the where these remains are located?

I recall seeing a view of the trestle looking up (south) from the bottom, and that the powerhouse was located on the SE corner of the intersection…

By: rod taylor

rod taylor — Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:59:33 +0000

It is indeed the remains of the Portland Cable Railway Company cable car powerhouse. There are several views in John Labbe’s book Fares, Please. A very substantial structure as it housed a large boiler and winding engine that required a solid anchor and foundation.
The line ran from Union Station on NW Irving, up 5th to SW Jefferson to 18th. At that point the line split with one branch crossing Vista Ave Bridge terminating in Washington Park, the other passing the powerhouse on 18th, between Market and Mill and continuing to Spring Street where it turned right crossing Vista ave to a terminus
The venture had a initially successful, though colorful existence involving several re-organizations and mergers, a insanity commitment and eventually the equipment was removed and wound up in San Francisco . All recounted in John T.Labbe’s excellent book. Fares, Please! Those Portland Trolley Years. Caxton 1980.